User talk:Cs california/Archive 1

Current Events Archive
Check out 2006/July for how I think it should have been done. I totally forgot. :P --AlphaTwo 22:54, 9 January 2007 (PST)

Greeting
Hi. Welcome to our community, it's nice to have you here. However, by now you've probably noticed a small glitch we have: The Ampersand (&) cannot presently be used in article titles. So we just replace it with "and". It's an obstacle, but it's the only solution. --Evisruc 18:45, 24 July 2006 (PDT)


 * Only if you type in "Command and Conquer: Generals", which redirects it. But if you type in "Command & Conquer: Generals", it leads to nothing.  In fact, that page will just lead to one called "Command" because it cuts out everything after the &.  Just letting you know.  --Evisruc 19:49, 24 July 2006 (PDT)

Deletion
Enter the tag: And one of us admins will get to it soon. So, for example, --Evisruc 01:16, 27 July 2006 (PDT)

Tag Request
I think I made it. I just copied what Wikipedia had, but I'm still not sure what that template does. Tell me if it works the way it's supposed to. --Evisruc 14:33, 2 August 2006 (PDT)

Pikachu Clone
Hi. Thank you for your concern, but I think rather than deleting the article, it would be better served to edi tit until we can all agree on it. I am not sure what the other members of the community think, but I personally do not mind an article that documents the characters inspired by Pikachu. The way it documents them is something that could be edited.

Also, while I'm here, I'd just like to mention that the line you edited in Pokemon Red and Blue wasn't necessarily opinionated - Gary is the villain, and portrayed as a jerk at every appearance. It's the equivelant of calling Ganon "mean" or Samus a "hero". --Evisruc 13:17, 20 September 2006 (PDT)


 * More lenient, yes, but if you have any issue with any of the pages, I'm sure we're all willing to work towards a compromise. --Evisruc 01:43, 23 September 2006 (PDT)

Borrowing from wikipedia
We really had a problem with Wikipedia at one point, as there were users lifting direct clones of pages over. There is no point in this Wiki if it's a duplication of Wikipedia. Wikipedia prides itself as unbiased, factual information, often requiring many proof and documentation for anything to go through. I think we tend to take a more relaxed attitude towards things, such as using images from press release shots, direct quotes from game manuals, etc. So stright to your questions:

1) Since they've started such an initative, I think it's something we won't mind doing. Exactly what's the notification process for them if we take an article?  I think we should have a flag over here to note that they are articles moved here and will need someone to take a look at what we want in them.

2)I think in general it's OK. I think most of us agree though, if it looks like there are identical parts, people will think we're just taking stuff and running with it.

Those new tags are great! We've needed newer, fresher ones for a while now.--AlphaTwo 06:26, 4 October 2006 (PDT)

Image articles
Hey Cs california, could you please not create new articles that contain just an image. If you plan to go back and add more content to those articles then I guess it's alright, but it's still probably not a good idea, seeing as you may forget what articles you meant to go back to. Also, ditto what AlphaTwo said about the new tags. They are indeed awesome. -- Oddity 13:54, 6 October 2006 (PDT)
 * I just want to add that while your contributions are greatly welcomed and appreciated, we just aren't a big enough wiki yet where we can afford to have articles that are nothing but a single image. There just aren't enough people in our community, yet, to pick up every single one and turn it into a full article.  --Evisruc 21:38, 6 October 2006 (PDT)

Vandalism
Okay, thanks. I'll just ban him as I doubt he'll be changing his ways and becoming an actual legitimate contributer anytime soon. -- Oddity 07:09, 27 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Is User:Bocz blocked as well at this point? Doesn't look like it is right now.  Sorry about the lack of responses, school and work have been quite insane.  Catching some of the other admins is probably a good idea.  --AlphaTwo 05:20, 1 November 2006 (PST)
 * Tagging pages with instead of blanking them.  Thanks.--AlphaTwo 17:53, 9 March 2007 (PST)

RE: Pages that needed to be made
"I started the pages that you said needed to be made on your front page (Frog Bog & Cubivore) but I know nothing about them. Can you add some information since I have no idea."
 * I'll add some information as soon as I get some time. Thanks for creating the pages.

"By the way, on some of your edits there are question mark signs such as Cristie on the info box should I erase them or am I missing some language file?"
 * These are actually pages not originally created by me. I moved these articles from the old site after it started screwing up some of the special characters. I do not know what originally was written there and at the time I was more interested in transfering articles as quickly as possible so I just left everything intact. If you want, whenever you see question mark signs where words should be, you can just go ahead and delete them.

"I also want your opinion on an admin userbox"
 * I'm not sure, what are your thoughts on what exactly an admin userbox would entail?

-- Oddity 05:35, 20 November 2006 (PST)

The & problem
Yeah. It's been noted here:. The work around? I really don't know. Right now I think leaving it as is is a decent solution. As far as running AlphaBot: Not feasible yet, because I have yet to retool it to target egamia.com's namespace. As for contacting Achernar: He's replied to me once, and states that he's been grabbing the RSS feed, but hasn't had the time to make changes himself. --AlphaTwo 22:53, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Flyff‎
I really don't know much about the game. If you see random changes, please make the reverts needed and message me to block the IP.--AlphaTwo 20:44, 13 February 2007 (PST)

Re: Featured Article
It's ok. It is a wiki, afterall. I know it can seem like sometime that you're the only one still on the site, too. --Evisruc 18:59, 11 November 2006 (PST)

Sorry for the whole complete ignorance thing. I just thought that the featured article should not contain links to such questionable content is all. Trying to keep things PG 13, ya know. Shadow was just the one I was currently fixing up. Sorry about the mess! --TalesDude 19:32, 18 March 2007 (CST)

Admin rights
Unfortunately I only have Sysop powers, which can't give out admin rights. --AlphaTwo 17:46, 4 January 2007 (PST)
 * Ideally it is a voting process, but the final activation and approval falls on Achernar, who pays for and host the Wiki.--AlphaTwo 20:01, 5 January 2007 (PST)

re: Final Fantasy III edits
Yeah, probably should have done that earlier, but I've moved the image to the Final Fantasy VI article because it really does belong there. Adan Aileron 04:50, 21 January 2007 (PST)

Banning users
We don't ban IPs, because that can potentially block out other people on that same IP. They get a week off from making changes. However, it would be different if they had an actual account.--AlphaTwo 15:45, 23 January 2007 (PST)

Congratulations
You're a sysop. Be good. --Achernar 08:16, 30 April 2007 (PDT)
 * Yeah now I can block spammers! --Cs california 09:38, 30 April 2007 (PDT)
 * Congrats.--AlphaTwo 21:18, 30 April 2007 (PDT)

Welcome template
Is there a welcome template anywhere? I can't seem to find it if there is. Thought you might know since you welcome all the new users. &mdash; Dan MP5   Semper Fi, Carry on  14:57, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

I moved the Codex Gamicus: New user greet, to Template:Welcome, so that all someone has to do is insert into a user's talkpage. I also added some more syntax to the template and fixed some other stuff. &mdash; Dan MP5   Semper Fi, Carry on  20:06, 17 May 2007 (PDT)

Could you just semi-protect Template:Welcome? I was about to add some more syntax. &mdash; Dan MP5   Semper Fi, Carry on  09:20, 18 May 2007 (PDT)

Sorry, I just now noticed you only semi-protected it. &mdash; Dan MP5   Semper Fi, Carry on  09:26, 18 May 2007 (PDT)

RE: Mediawiki: Sidebar
Yes, you got it. It really is just a matter of editing that page. The only "trick" is that "Mediawiki:" pages are protected so that only sysops can edit them.

Warning templates
Could you remove full-protection on the first and second warning templates for a while? I'm going to make some minor grammar and wording changes. &mdash; Dan MP5   Semper Fi, Carry on  11:33, 28 May 2007 (PDT)

Thanks, you can go ahead and lock them back now. I was going to add some optional parameters to them, but some important parser functions don't seem to work here for some reason. &mdash; &mdash; Dan <font color="#4F4E4E">MP5   <font color="#000000">Semper Fi, Carry on  16:53, 28 May 2007 (PDT)

My God

 * You are a machine. I'll try to come back soon.--AlphaTwo 20:29, 20 June 2007 (PDT)

attribution
I presume your recent additions to the SchoolMate article is based off the text from http://scratchpad.gamepedia.com/School_Mate. If my presumption is correct, please place proper attribution on the SchoolMate article, much like how SchoolMate/walkthrough handles attribution (though the wording needs to be changed, since in the case of SchoolMate it's just partial copying of the article). Thank you. -Afker 21:59, 26 June 2007 (PDT)

Storylines
Theoretically, yes.--Evisruc 10:46, 28 June 2007 (PDT)

Userbox template
What was the reasoning behind removing the link for Useful Templates (Userbox) off the useful template? The Category alone isn't a good enough way to quickly reference in how they look. --AlphaTwo 19:22, 4 July 2007 (PDT)

i think you should add to this page
when you come back from your gaming holiday http://egamia.com/wiki/Codex_Gamicus:Administrators -Deathstrike

Thanks!
Mm, thanks much for the warm welcome! This isn't unlike Wikipedia, which I've edited for around one and one-half years, so I think this will be quite fun. The original reason I joined was to make the irresistible edit to Mario Kart DS which was lacking an items section, and I'm really liking the place! ZangieF 09:35, 18 August 2007 (PDT)
 * There's a userbox for everything related to games on here, it seems :-) I'll be posting my WFC code very soon!
 * Heck, it's cool enough that there's a WFC box even :-O

Wow, and I just got here too. You're quick! --Evisruc 01:47, 14 September 2007 (PDT)

Thanks
Thank you for your kindness and the comment you have given me, i'm very greatful. --Gaiden 03:33, 22 October 2007 (PDT)

Spam
Perhaps it could be a good idea to disallow editing from unregistered users: i see that most IPs only edit to spam crap on various pages. Raffaello9 09:04, 29 October 2007 (PDT)

Request
Could you delete my user page and talk page? Thanks in advance. Raffaello9 17:00, 29 November 2007 (PST)

Images
Hello. Our image server was having problems earlier but this should be fixed now. Are you still seeing any broken pngs? To change the logo in the old monobook skin, you can upload an image called Wiki.png (approx 145px square). To change the logo in the new quartz skins, you can upload an image called Wiki_wide.png (approx 266px wide and 75px high). Angela (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, the favicon's at [[Image:Favicon.ico]] in case you feel like updating that too. IIRC, it's 16px square. -- 04:45, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks I am merging the two icons --Cs california 04:46, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Move to Wiki

 * Minde giving me a brief update on what happend?--AlphaTwo 04:52, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Stock ticker
Hi. This sounds an interesting idea. For security reasons, you can't add scripts directly to the wiki. However, you can add RSS, so you could use a tool like this to get the RSS feed and then place that into the wiki like this: http://tc.dk/stock.php?symbols=erts|short|max=1. I just found that site with a google search, so it might not be the best version of stock -> RSS converters.

Here's how it could display:

Short version:

http://tc.dk/stock.php?symbols=erts|short|max=1

Long version:

http://tc.dk/stock.php?symbols=erts|max=1

Angela (talk) 06:41, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Javascript/H-Game problem
I don't know if Wiki would do that for us, or if it's even possible, to put a warning only on pages in a certain category (I'll ask a tech later today, if I can find one on IRC). Of course, I do know of a way to get extra confirmation before viewing a page's content, so we can always implement that. The only downside to the method I'm thinking of is that people without javascript will be unable to view the page (which, IMO, isn't really a big loss). Basically, here's what I'm thinking: You have a notice that says like "The content on this page is not appropriate for those under 18 years of age. By clicking on the [show] link, you agree that you are 18 years of age and older" or something like that, then you have a javascript show/hide link that toggles the visibility of the page content. -- 16:37, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, you can see that in action here. You may need to clear your cache first before the javascript link shows up. Unfortunately, it doesn't work with templates, so it has to be manually typed out on each and every page (I'll take care of that if we decide to go this route). Also, what is the purpose of Template:If defined call1 and Template:Template call1? -- 17:28, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Something in the Info box that is used --Cs california 21:56, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I've already tried making it into a template, but it didn't go so well. But if you could manage it, that'd be great :). Oh, and I bugged Angela about getting an extension that would enable another way of showing the content for those that don't have javascript enabled in their browsers. -- 22:26, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you get onto IRC (server is irc.freenode.net, channel #Egamia in case you can't follow that link, although #wiki would work as well)? Perhaps we can discuss this a bit more thoroughly? -- 22:29, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Where do I register?--Cs california 22:54, 2 December 2007 (UTC)
 * For IRC? Just join the network, no registration required. Of course, you should register your nickname after you come in, but I can help you with that. Anyway, you can get on with any IRC client (look it up on Google, mIRC, XChat, and ChatZilla are a few notable ones), or you can go via Freenode's java client or Wiki's CGI:IRC client (note that in the latter, you won't be able to get on #Egamia yet, the request for it's addition is still pending). -- 23:18, 2 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Wikipedia tag
I don't think we need the wikipedia info template because wikipedia allows sites to copy their stuff. So I would rather change it to an external link tag instead. The tag was made so we can easily id and remove redlinks and problems with unicode --Cs california 00:03, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Part of the requirement of GFDL copying is that the source be explicitly credited. It's easier to keep it as a template so that all references are standardised. Feel free to slim it down or whatever. All I'm really doing at the moment is moving it to the bottom (where it should be) and changing it to Template:Wikipedia-info so that Template:Wikipedia can be a sidebar template (e.g. Wikibooks:Template:Wikipedia), which is how it was being used on Gameinfo pages before the Egamia equivalent overwrote it. Garrett 00:19, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I see but then 80% of the things on the website is based on wikipedia or has some form of what was on wikipedia. Probably good idea to make a bot do this --Cs california 00:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried using Auto Wiki Browser last night and it refused to work with Wiki, despite being officially compatible with it. It could be Wiki has disabled bot access to reduce requests during these recent server troubles... but maybe I should try again... Garrett 00:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Other languages and merges
To add links to the other languages, use an interlanguage link. For example article title will link to that article title on the German version of this wiki. See my user page for an example. Use article for German and article for Chinese. It will work on any page except talk pages.

Can you check by posting on the forum whether users on eGamia are happy for CheatBase to be merged here? If everyone is happy with it, I will import the content here. Angela (talk) 08:36, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure I will check first--Cs california 08:37, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Archiving Current events
As of now, that page is way too massive, especially for the poor people who have dial-up connections. What do you think about archiving the Current events page by month? I know of an effective way to do so (and the appropriate templates), so if you agree I can get on that and help reduce the overly-large size of the page. -- 21:13, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Good, that's what I was kind-of thinking of as well :) -- 22:46, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: your comments
In reply to your comments. wikipedia is dumping lots of useful infomation..
 * I guess we're snuffling up information wikipedia chooses not to keep, and deletes? Doesn't seem very noble to me. As long as wikipedia maintains extensive articles on games, why bother with egamia? I'm not being sarcastic, I honestly don't see the point.

Good idea to start categorizing everything was not well categorized!
 * I am a big fan of categories!

Ummm maybe not..
 * You're right. This is negative and would only generate flames and bad tempers.

Answered your questions?
 * Kinda. Still don't see why we're trying to replace wikipedia's video game project..

I guess I'm just trying to figure out who our target audience is, and how they're different from the target audience of wikipedia's videogame project.

Forum implementation
I've created a talk page here for us to discuss the forum addition. Please visit when you get a chance. --Achernar 02:02, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Tags?
What sort of tags did you want? I'm not sure what you mean, but I'll stop importing them until I understand. Angela (talk) 07:53, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * There is a list at Egamia:CheatBase. Shall I also add a category to them or something? Angela (talk) 07:59, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * The page histories need to be kept so people know who the authors are (this is a requirement of the license the content was put under on the CheatBase wiki). If you're copying the pages to another location, please use "move page" rather than copying it and then deleting the original. Angela (talk) 08:01, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about deleting them manually. If you don't want them, I can just run the delete script on them. Please can you let me know what you want to happen with these pages. Would putting them in a separate "cheats" namespace help? Angela (talk) 08:09, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Please read
Sorry for the 5 minute block, but I didn't know how else to get your attention. Aren't you getting new message notification? Please do not simply copy and paste text from CheatBase to new pages here. The wiki is licensed under the GFDL which means we can only use this content if the original authors are attributed. The pages should be moved, not copied, so that the page histories stay with them. I've deleted the imported pages, so that I can start again after a discussion about where to put them and how to handle this merge. Angela (talk) 08:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Just click here to unblock yourself. Angela (talk) 08:22, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Does this look like the correct list of titles? To merge the history of PageA and PageB


 * 1) Delete PageA
 * 2) Move PageB to PageA
 * 3) Undelete PageA (Special:Undelete/PageA)
 * 4) The 2 histories will be merged.


 * Angela (talk) 08:31, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Test run
I thought I'd better do a smaller test run this time. Let me know if 1nsane/code is ok. I'm also going to remove the old category "Cheat Codes" but leave "Cheat codes" there. Angela (talk) 08:45, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

The template links to 1nsane/codes, not 1nsane/code. Should I name them x/codes instead of x/code?

Izumo/1
Hi, the reason I originally had the articles be organized uder Izumo/ is so that a small-font link would automatically be generated back to the Izumo main article for all articles following the naming convention. This is a main way to help establish the identity of the Izumo mini-wiki in addition to the navigation bar.

I believe a "mini-wiki" organization/paradigm/mentality for articles allows for a degree of freedom that is blocked in a "encyclopedia with sub-articles" paradigm. And while this site is now the "Codex Gamicus", I would like to keep my old articles from GameInfo in their mini-wiki form. One may argue the semantic difference is superficial, but I believe the difference in how we package the information greatly alters people's perception and behavior. -Afker 07:49, 20 December 2007 (UTC)


 * www.getchu.com probably has the box arts if you can read Japanese. But if you are under 18 or offended by explicit images, then don't go there... -Afker 00:40, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Cs california 00:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * As for the article name, if we want to keep both the mini-wiki naming structure and correct game name, then it might have to be "Izumo/Izumo" (as most of the "first" games in the series never actually had the "1" in their names), "Izumo/Izumo 2" etc, but that really feels very redundant. -Afker 00:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I just dont want it hard for people to find--Cs california 00:46, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Redirects keeps things easy to find. I even made sure the H games categorization for Izumo 1 as a game goes with the redirect page instead of the resolved page name. See how Izumo 2 appears in Category:H_games even though it is only a redirect to Izumo/2.  People browsing it will see "Izumo 2".  People searching it can reach it by searching for "Izumo 2".  It's only when they landed on the page that they get the "Izumo/2" page title (and I also use a level 1 heading under the nav box stating "Izumo 2"). -Afker 00:56, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * In general, however, I think it's an altruism that it's best to avoid redirects whenever possible, and I'd ask that you consider that when naming your articles. I think conversations may have to take place to formally adopt a path structure for articles and make the entire site as homogeneous as possible. Just my $0.02. --Achernar 04:05, 21 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree--Cs california 04:09, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * "it's best to avoid redirects whenever possible" - Hmm... This is the first time ever I've heard of this stance, and I actually fail to recognize how altruism is related at all (nor how selfishness might be related in the opposite direction). I'm fine with conversations, and a formal decision on the place of Project:Mini-wiki that was created before the eGamia take-over. -Afker 04:27, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I meant truism—this is what happens when you stay up entirely too late working on stuff. --Achernar 04:33, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I also fail to see how "it's best to avoid redirects whenever possible" is self-evident. )-: While we are not Wikipedia, I don't see how the circumstances surrounding this case differ for us, and Wikipedia itself generally encourages the creation of redirects, if I am not mistaken.  I believe the main rational is that it helps reducing server load when multiple possible names for an article all directly go to the article, instead of having to perform a search when you didn't pick the "favored" name. -Afker 04:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * I think the mini-wiki is a good idea for in universe subjects but it is best to have it more open so we can relate it to other games. Also I like the bar on top of the Izumo pages. It is very convenient --Cs california 04:36, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * What's the openess-vs-closeness concept here? Can you make it more explicit? -Afker
 * What I mean is we can link it to other articles more easily I guess --Cs california 04:54, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Let's deal with the issues one at a time, since the decision on one can affect perspectives on another. Let's officially discuss the policy on Redirects here. There are things Achernar take to be truism that I never heard of before, and it is likely some of my rational/perspectives have not been heard of by him. And I believe a difference in policy on redirects can greatly affect the discussion on other stuff. -Afker 05:01, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Navlinks
Please edit MediaWiki:Navlinks to change the link to the forums. -Afker 05:45, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Forums
I'm getting really tired of the feature-incomplete phpBB forums. Quoting and discussion involving wiki syntax is especially bad. Right now I'd much prefer to use the wiki-styled DPL forums. -Afker 22:16, 22 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Me too it is a hassle to try to explain some of the things on the forums when you can easily access it here :)--Cs california 01:02, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * So, how about we go back to using the old DPL forums? d-: -Afker 04:34, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, they already setup the other one maybe you should ask Achernar if we can use both --Cs california 04:59, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and decide between yourselves; I didn't ask for the forums to be set up in the first place and only configured them once they were there. I had though one of you had asked for them. --Achernar 05:03, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure then I will create the other in wiki forum. Just wanted to make sure no one minded :)--Cs california 05:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Wanna fix MediaWiki:Navlinks and MediaWiki:Sidebar? d-: -Afker 08:40, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Whats wrong with it? it still works--Cs california 09:38, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * If we are going back to using the DPL forums, it'd be nice for the forum links to point to Forum:Index d-: -Afker 22:43, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

My Welcoming
Thats ok, why don't you use for the template instead?--Kushan_I.A.K.J (Talk) 10:51, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, oh well, we all make mistakes, so thats ok!--Kushan_I.A.K.J (Talk) 10:58, 27 December 2007 (UTC)