User talk:Tephra

Resolution
Tephra, I wanted to speak to you alone about the matter on Diablo Wiki before I decide to do anything, and what is more, I think it best we discuss it here briefly before we try to resolve this issue once and for all.
 * You and others advised me against leaving the wiki, and after some consideration, I agree. No one user should decide the course of anything, whether it is me or anyone else. But you also have to admit that even Hawki said that he was going to divide his time between Starcraft and Diablo, and what is more, he has his own internship in real life to deal with; I truly have ample time at the present to contribute, and I am these days interested in only Diablo on Wiki.
 * Honestly, I don't want to quit at all; I just felt that maybe it was truly best, if no resolution could be reached. I do want to keep editing on the wiki as much as I can, and I don't want that to stop, unless I have no other choice at all. I think there is a possible way to settle this with relative ease, but I wanted to ask you this: What do you really think of Hawki's edits? Are the articles in their current form truly preferable for the wiki? Ralnon (talk) 02:01, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Response
Hawki is right, in a sense, I admit; now, especially, with the the release of the third game and so much new information and lore, some reorganization should optimally occur. I have tried my best not to overly use quotes in my editing - yet Hawki himself has made use of them in his recent edits - and I didn't use more than at most one for Tyrael; I didn't use any for the Angiris Council one, which, incidentally, included information that I from discretion specifically made sure not to put on the individual members' pages. All that other work, I didn't just copy and paste; I spent hours typing on my own every day for several weeks in an attempt to improve, expand and summarize them. Maybe Hawki believes, as he says, that no one's work is "sacred", but I personally reject that - I think everyone's work is, and to that, I still hold.
 * For instance, I, too, felt that Inarius's inclusion in the article was possibly a bit of a stretch; I did modify his description over time to that of a "possible" member, but at no point did I consider removing it completely, simply because I felt that such was not absolutely necessary. I try to integrate or incorporate everyone's edits together, to gradually build on what they already have, to refine and maybe improve upon, but not just rewrite everything, and I refuse to remove anything unless I really have to. For all that other user's tiresome ranting, he was in part right about one thing at least: I am probably too careful and precise on these "little things" - but I never thought that a particularly bad thing.
 * But even if the older versions should be altered, I'm not too sure whether Hawki's current ones are the best for the wiki either. For example: "Thanks to Tyrael and his mortal allies however, Auriel and Itherael were rescued and the tide turned in Heaven's favor. Imperius was not so eager to side with the "abominations" he'd condemned 3,000 years ago, but it became a moot point as he was incapacitated and the heroes defeated the Lord of Terror regardless." "Auriel continued to act as a bridge between the two angels but Malthael was another story." "That Tyrael had not sided with him at the conclusion of the Sin War was another thorn in his side." Hawki's style may be seen as somewhat more concise, doubtless, but it is also much more informal and honestly seems a little less than professional to the average reader.
 * The quote for Angiris Council that Hawki added doesn't directly refer to the five themselves, but actually the "unity" of the Angels of the High Heavens, who were in turn led by the Council. Hawki seems to desire an image for the page, but as he removed the only one I was able to get for the article, I'm not too sure what he means or wants. And maybe you haven't noticed it yet, but the spelling and grammar of the articles also need serious improvement; there are simply too many run-off or borderline run-off sentences, various issues with syntax, and quite a few mistakes in spelling...last time I checked, "disapeared" wasn't spelled as such in English. For all its possible faults, even Wikipedia is better at article presentation...
 * But, listen: I said Hawki has made certain points worthy of consideration, and I meant what I said as well. I think I've found a compromise, at least a temporary solution, to this issue, and I will get back to contributing as soon as I can, maybe beginning with improving less controversial articles. But I promise you this: I will make sure to respect his own edits and views as best I can, and I will try to give them a wide berth whenever possible. I am grateful for your response, and I hope Hawki will respond well to mine. Ralnon (talk) 15:01, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Hello, Tephra, it's been a long time since we last spoke. I just wanted to tell you that I wanted to do some more editing on the Diablo Wiki since our last conversation, but for a variety of reasons I've never really had a chance to do so. Now that Hawki's become far less active (he's apparently made only one edit in October), do you think I could resume contributing to the Diablo Wiki? I just wanted to check with you first, before I begin editing. Ralnon (talk) 00:11, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Hello
Hello Tephra this wiki is not for solving conficts and you two are making a big issue please from now on dont come here to solve but go to central wiki chat to disscuss with the staff or with admins they're much experenced and they have solved around 20,000 conficts between users.Thank you.

~CallofDuty5~08:05, November 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I am sorry for this; I do not expect to contact Tephra again through this wiki, and the issue has been largely resolved as of now. Thank you, Ralnon (talk) 13:53, November 2, 2012 (UTC)